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Great article!
Just for the record...
In 2006, My publisher, Linden Bay Romance, who also published Alex Beecroft's first novel, submitted an ad to Romance Times that included covers of several of their books, including my own Age of Sail m/m romance, Ransom. Authors who bought in to the co-op advertising were told that it was RT's policy to review books that bought ad space, and the admittedly pricey square inch was worth the cost for the promotional benefit of being reviewed.
The other books were reviewed. Mine was not. Other writers of gay romance told me that it never would be, since RT was always willing to take m/m advertising but never reviewed same-sex romances. I asked my publisher for clarification. She said she had never heard of this policy.
My publisher asked RT, and received the answer that m/m was not reviewed because RT's readership was "not interested" in that sort of story.
Later that year, RT ran a poll asking whether there was interest. The results were 60+% infavor of including m/m, 20+% who didn't care, and about 17-18% vehemently opposed. Some creative folks suggested, in comments, that RT print the scary gay reviews on purple pages and seal them, so that no one would read them by accident. Most comments simply suggested that same-sex romances be treated fairly.
RT ignored this poll.
At RT's convention that same year, ManLoveRomance, a writer's co-op to which I belong, which had bought advertising space at the event, had its promotional materials removed from the common table and dumped in an out-of-the-way box. The group's representative at the convention was told that "someone" had complained about the content. (The materials were no more, and generally less, suggestive than the sizzling boy-girl displays that covered the table and some walls.)
The discrimination against same-sex romance by RT and a few other groups in the 'traditional' romance community has been going on since the genre appeared, and will no doubt continue so long as the people making the decisions are determined to enforce their own narrow, rigid definition of 'romance.'
I find it interesting that, although RT's policy has not changed, Ms. Stacy's reason for the discrimination has been reconfigured. Two years ago, there was "not enough interest" in our books to bother reviewing them. Now there are "so many being published" that, my goodness, they just don't have room!
Logical, I suppose. Since so many m/m romances are being bought--and read--it's no longer credible to claim that no one's interested in the genre. At least not with a straight face.
I have to wonder, though... if any heterosexual romance genre were experiencing this sort of boom ... would one not expect the biggest publication in the field to review the books for its readers' benefit? Even if it took up some space, which would certainly be paid for by advertising?
RT's discriminaory policy is a fact. The reasons given may change. The fact does not.
By the way... of course m/m has heaving bosoms. They are simply *manly* bosoms.
On 6/17/2009 11:10:08 AM, Carol Stacy said:
"Our periodic surveys with our readers tell us that there is not enough interest in this type of book within our general audience"
aside from possibly being untrue according to lee rowan (is there a reference to that survey i could look up?), this is of course also a self-fulfilling justification. i don't read RT _because_ it has nothing of interest for me as an LGBT reader, so naturally i wouldn't be included in a survey of their readers. i am certain i am not unique, so RT is missing out on a number of people as subscribers because of this policy. enough readers to overcome anti-LGBT bias? who knows, but if i were in charge of a leading magazine during a recession, i wouldn't be so cavalier about it. after all, our money isn't covered with gay cooties.
thanks for the nifty article! i especially love the term "zipper ripper"; hadn't heard that before.
The results are here:
http://www.romantictimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4005
Should've posted this last night, but it took awhile to find the url. My apologies for the inaccuracy; this was from November of 06, and I stopped following this poll after awhile. The final tally in favor was 56%, not 60-something (the last one I remember seeing was about 62).
As far as I know, this topic has never again appeared on RT's public boards, so if a poll is being taken of members-only, I have no knowledge of it. It would make sense to exclude non-members if they want to get less lgbt-friendly results since, as you say, the magazine has nothing of interest for readers who are looking for same-sex romance.
Apparently Ms. Stacy fails at basic reading comprehension; this strikes me as problematic for someone who publishes book reviews. Perhaps I can clarify for her? Let's look at the two statements, breaking them down for meaning.
From the article:
"Romantic Times claims to review every book that pays to advertise, but so far they have not reviewed False Colors."
Translation: If you pay Romantic Times for an advertisement, your book is guaranteed to be reviewed. This has not happened in the case of False Colors.
Ms. Stacy's rebuttal:
"While it is true we currently do not review m/m books in our magazine, it is not true that every book reviewed in our magazine is attached to an ad. We review 250-300 books a month and I only wish we had that many ads per issue :)"
Translation: We review many more books than we have advertisements. Therefore, many of the books we review have no paid advertisement in our publication.
I don't see where anyone was saying that every book reviewed was attached to an ad, merely that every ad is *supposed to be* generating a review. I'm disappointed but unsurprised to discover that Romantic Times does not review m/m books, despite their stated policy of reviewing every book for which advertising has been purchased.
Interesting, however the allure of M/M love stories is hardly a new phenomena. M/M romance stories appeared in 1970s, distributed then in not for profit underground fan magazines. The genre picked up with the popularity of the internet, and arguably every 20 something queer woman is addicted to some form of "slash" fiction or the other. (The slash comes from the / between the names of the characters) I'd hardly credit Brokeback Mountain for a genre that has existed for decades. Perhaps for the official sanctioning by publishers, but there are literally millions of slash stories archived on the internet. (mostly english, but in many other languages as well)
Another comment: Are you certain the writers and consumers of these stories are indeed "straight" women? That was a misconception that the few scholars who had written on slash fiction when I began to study it also wrote. However, I talked with some of these women, and out of the 'hundred-and-some' women I spoke with, one identified as straight, one identified as a lesbian, and the others identified as some sort of bisexual/bi-curious/queer.
They exist only in print. It is an ambiguous space in which the sexed body and gendered voice are not necessarily concurrent. I have argued that it is this ambiguity and safe space that allows women to explore the "deviant" parts of their sexuality--via voyeurism and fantasy.
what kitchan said. as far as i've been able to unearth, the first slash community grew up around star trek, writing kirk/spock romance/erotica.
in japan there's a huge industry around "boys' love" (ボーイズラブ) manga and lately novels, which started completely independently in the early 1970s. it is now feeding back into the west via so-called "yaoi"-inspired graphic as well as prose works. there is a small amount of scholarship surrounding it in the west; very interesting reading.
I'm a straight woman who loves reading m/m erotic romances. I find men attractive. So reading about them having a romantic sexual relationship is a turn-on for me. I can't be the only one!!
And I've read some great m/m erotic romances written by women. I don't know if gay men would find them appealing, but for me they were really enjoyable. Try author Stephanie Vaughan or the publisher Loose Id (www.loose-id.com) for some great examples of this kind of fiction.
Many thanks for the article, Heather! I thought I would just chime in here and say that Kitchan has the right of it, and that although there are many straight women who enjoy m/m romance, the situation is actually a lot more fluid than a tag line such as 'by straight women for straight women' can represent. For a start, of the four authors involved in Running Press's line, I am the only one who identifies as straight, though I have some gender issues around being a woman. Two of our authors identify as bisexual, one of whom moved to Canada so that she could legally marry her wife. And the fourth is a gay man. That's a diversity that tends to be reflected in the other readers and writers of m/m romance. So far, the only thing I'd say with confidence is that there are fewer readers and writers of m/m romance who are straight men than there are of any other gender or orientation. But that may yet come too! After all, there are many straight men who enjoyed Torchwood despite/because of the fact that the hero was in a m/m romantic relationship.
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Carol Stacy
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Dear Ms. Harris,
While I appreciate the mention of RT Book Reviews (formerly Romantic Times) in your article I must address an inaccuracy.
"Running Press is advertising the book in romance-reader periodicals like
Romantic Times and Affair de Coeur (these are actual magazines). Romantic
Times claims to review every book that pays to advertise, but so far they
have not reviewed False Colors. 'That's not unusual,' Beecroft writes. 'In
fact that's RT's standard practice with m/m romance.'"
While it is true we currently do not review m/m books in our magazine, it is not true that every book reviewed in our magazine is attached to an ad. We review 250-300 books a month and I only wish we had that many ads per issue :)
Our policy to not include m/m romance in RT Book Reviews is a space issue. Our periodic surveys with our readers tell us that there is not enough interest in this type of book within our general audience to warrant the extra space it would require (since there are so many being published) to review m/m books. If that changes in the future we most certainly would consider them for review in our magazine.
I regret that no one fact checked with us before printing this inaccurate statement about RT Book Reviews in this story. Fact checking is a practice we take very seriously at RT Book Reviews to avoid reporting incorrect information as demonstrated in this article.
Sincerely,
Carol Stacy
RT Book Reviews Publisher